One of my main turning points

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Ishaq

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So, I’m sure many of you have had similar experiences.

One of my main turning points away from what I’ll refer to as ‘traditionalism’, for want of a better word. Was actually being in the mosques and listening to the ridiculous things they were saying.

It’s been a good few years since I’ve stepped foot inside one. But a few years ago, in fact the last time, I went to a large and popular mosque in central manchester and listened to the sermon.

The basic gist was a story of a ‘friend’ of the prophet who went to see a magician. He then beheaded the magician and this was seen as some sort of morally forward story.

I looked around and literally no one was listening. It made absolutely zero sense. Why would a ‘friend’ of the prophet behead someone and think this was ok for no apparent reason other then to say ‘magic is haram’.

For me, I’m happy with my circle. Whatever happens outside of it I don’t feel the need to interject and force my opinions and ways on people.

I don’t need to punish people for their choices. That is with God.
 
I can totally relate. I live in Bosnia and here the Islamic institutions serve a similar purpose to what somebody like Marx would anticipate. They barely talk about virtue, the nature of God, or how to be a good person. All they do is talk about the sunnah and most importantly spread ethnic tension through identity politics. They are an instrument to keep the Muslims at odds with their Christian neighbours. I am pretty sure that the churches do the same thing.

All they do is scare the masses and leave important matters aside, such as the blatant colonialism of the West in our country, the degenration of our youth, the collapsing demographics, etc. Not to mention that they shame people for not donating enough money, even though there were various scandals of them using the donated money fraudulently. Their leadership also is in close ties with an extremely corrupt political party which is partly to blame for the war in the 90s.
 
DinaricZoomer said:
I can totally relate. I live in Bosnia and here the Islamic institutions serve a similar purpose to what somebody like Marx would anticipate. They barely talk about virtue, the nature of God, or how to be a good person. All they do is talk about the sunnah and most importantly spread ethnic tension through identity politics. They are an instrument to keep the Muslims at odds with their Christian neighbours. I am pretty sure that the churches do the same thing.

All they do is scare the masses and leave important matters aside, such as the blatant colonialism of the West in our country, the degenration of our youth, the collapsing demographics, etc. Not to mention that they shame people for not donating enough money, even though there were various scandals of them using the donated money fraudulently. Their leadership also is in close ties with an extremely corrupt political party which is partly to blame for the war in the 90s.
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Religion aside, I’ve heard Bosnia is beautiful and I may visit next year to see some of the architecture if I can plan my Europe road trip with my family.

The majority of what you say is the same with the U.K. Muslim community.

The majority of Muslim populated areas are dirty, the streets aren’t clean, they drive horrendously and are the majority of drug dealers and fraudsters.

There are mosques on every corner which are empty 99% of the time. They compete for money and do nothing with it.

It’s ridiculous.
 
Ishaq said:
Religion aside, I’ve heard Bosnia is beautiful and I may visit next year to see some of the architecture if I can plan my Europe road trip with my family.

The majority of what you say is the same with the U.K. Muslim community.

The majority of Muslim populated areas are dirty, the streets aren’t clean, they drive horrendously and are the majority of drug dealers and fraudsters.

There are mosques on every corner which are empty 99% of the time. They compete for money and do nothing with it.

It’s ridiculous.
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The country has some amazing landmarks that I am sure you'd like. Feel free to reach out if you decide to come here.
 
Ishaq said:
So, I’m sure many of you have had similar experiences.

One of my main turning points away from what I’ll refer to as ‘traditionalism’, for want of a better word. Was actually being in the mosques and listening to the ridiculous things they were saying.

It’s been a good few years since I’ve stepped foot inside one. But a few years ago, in fact the last time, I went to a large and popular mosque in central manchester and listened to the sermon.

The basic gist was a story of a ‘friend’ of the prophet who went to see a magician. He then beheaded the magician and this was seen as some sort of morally forward story.

I looked around and literally no one was listening. It made absolutely zero sense. Why would a ‘friend’ of the prophet behead someone and think this was ok for no apparent reason other then to say ‘magic is haram’.

For me, I’m happy with my circle. Whatever happens outside of it I don’t feel the need to interject and force my opinions and ways on people.

I don’t need to punish people for their choices. That is with God.
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Your story about the magician did make me smile! I’ve been to similar church services as a Christian where the pastor spent thirty minutes talking nonsense and me wondering why I bothered going!!
 
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