My personal remarks from " Response to "Challenge to Hadith Rejecters: Nieal & Fawze" | Qur'an Alone Believers " video

Amazigh

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The two hadithists in the video talked mostly about the topic of the 7 ways of readings / recitations of Quran:
  • Hafs: used in the middle east
  • Warsh: used in north africa ( morocco especially, i am moroccan and we have this recitation of quran )
Theres another 5 readings / recitations but they are not used much

The quran says:

In a clear Arabic tongue.
(26:195)


Notice how it describes it as "Clear". How can something be clear and still have 7 versions of it

And thus We have revealed to thee an Arabic recitation, that thou warn the mother of cities and whoso is around her, and thou warn of the Day of Gathering whereof there is no doubt: a faction will be in the Garden, and a faction in the Inferno.
(42:7)


Again Recitation not Recitations , singular noun. And i think it is the of the dialect of the mother of Cities (depends on which city do you think that is, i think it is Petra, the stuff Sam Gerrans said makes sense ). And it is logical that it is the dialect of the major city in that time , cause dialects spread from the capital to the regions arround it , and also thats where you will find people who make poets and educated people in general , you wouldnt find them in small villages

An Arabic recitation, free of deviation, that they might be in prudent fear.
(39:28)


notice how it says free of deviation

how can 7 = 1 ? its the same logic the christians use 3 = 1
I want to point out that Warsh recitation which is used in africa is invented by Abu Sa'id Uthman Ibn Sa‘id al-Qutbi, A Man who was born in Egypt and died in Egypt, he was born 96 years after the death of the messenger Muhammad

Its funny that while hadith is made by persians who had nothing to do with the arabic language, now we have these recitations which are also made by non arabs , just 100 years before this guy Abu Sa'id Uthman Ibn Sa‘id al-Qutbi, the arabic language was nowhere to be found in egypt. The Arab invasion in Egypt was between 639 AD and 642 AD. This is when the egyptians got defeated by the Arabs.
I guess Satan works the same way throughout history, its easy to lead astray someone who got defeated and use his hatred and his "dignity" agaisnt him, just like how the persians got defeated and it made them make the hadith.

Speaking of Satan and his similar methods, Brand Islam to me is a proof of Satan's existance. The corruption of God's doctrines has to happen, just like with Judaism and Christianity, thats how i see it.
God send a message , a time later Satan leads people astray from it.
As we know Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
The world Economic Forum says by 2070 Islam will overtake Christianity.
So basically Islam will be the majority religion in the future.
If Islam was not corrupted it will goes against this verse:

And if thou obey most of those upon the earth, they will lead thee astray from the path of God; they follow only assumption, and they are only guessing.
(6:116)


Peace!
 
Also reminder that Afro-asiatic languages like arabic have a characteristic of not writting vowels in the past. Basically Malik vs Maalik argument doesnt make sense. by the time the quran was revealed Arabic was probably not writing Vowels.
 
And its funny how the whole video they kept saying us hadith regectors dont know a word of arabic.
Just like Said Mirza, me too i know the Arabic language.
Also notice how in the video the two hadithists dont speak in english , instead to me it sounds like a Creole. which is when you mix two different languages. i mean they are obsesed with arabic they would use many arabic vocabulary eventho this vocab already exist in english.
Its like a vatican priest being obsesed with Latin.

Again with the holyness of arabic, The arabic language doesnt make a difference. In fact, Atheism is spreading fast in Arabic speaking countries.


Also just like Latin died and it gave new languages.
The arabic of the quran not only it is different to the modern standard arabic and to the arabic dialects. THE ARABIC OF THE QURAN IS ALSO DIFFERENT FROM THE ARABIC OF THE HADITH. Since my childhood even when i was a traditionalist muslim i always felt the arabic of the hadith is much easier than the arabic of the quran
Which makes sense because the older the language gets, the harder for you to understand it


Either that or i guess the persians who wrote the hadith were learning a simpler arabic.
As you know Persian is from a different family of languages. not semitic of course and not afro-asiatic. So i guess even they couldnt learn the arabic of the quran
 
Ironic when they say these things when there's a verse dedicated to them:

ٱلْأَعْرَابُ أَشَدُّ كُفْرًا وَنِفَاقًا وَأَجْدَرُ أَلَّا يَعْلَمُوا۟ حُدُودَ مَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّـهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِۦ وَٱللَّـهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
The desert Arabs are stronger in denial and wavering, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent down upon His messenger; and God is knowing and wise.
(9:97)

As with many communities:

وَمِنَ ٱلْأَعْرَابِ مَن يُؤْمِنُ بِٱللَّـهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَيَتَّخِذُ مَا يُنفِقُ قُرُبَـٰتٍ عِندَ ٱللَّـهِ وَصَلَوَٰتِ ٱلرَّسُولِ أَلَآ إِنَّهَا قُرْبَةٌ لَّهُمْ سَيُدْخِلُهُمُ ٱللَّـهُ فِى رَحْمَتِهِۦٓ إِنَّ ٱللَّـهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ
And among the desert Arabs is he who believes in God and the Last Day, and takes what he spends as a means of nearness to God and the duties of the Messenger. In truth, it is a means of nearness for them: God will make them enter into His mercy; God is forgiving and merciful.
(9:99)

Though, brother, I highly recommend stopping and thinking: "Will all this arguing will make me closer to God?"

The truth is, read the Quran, pray, and if you are so inclined, warn. Do not argue the proofs, they are deaf, dumb, and blind. Their hearts have earned it. Unless, of course, they be the verses in the Quran when you are told to say certain things when someone genuinely asks.
 
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Ironic when they say these things when there's a verse dedicated to them:

ٱلْأَعْرَابُ أَشَدُّ كُفْرًا وَنِفَاقًا وَأَجْدَرُ أَلَّا يَعْلَمُوا۟ حُدُودَ مَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّـهُ عَلَىٰ رَسُولِهِۦ وَٱللَّـهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
The desert Arabs are stronger in denial and wavering, and more likely not to know the limits of what God has sent down upon His messenger; and God is knowing and wise.
(9:97)
😂 and we shouldnt forget that the jews and the arabs are basically from the same branch of people look at how similar the Arabic language to the Hebrew language, both people are Semitic and both are not to be trusted. Look how many messengers and prophets were sent to the Semites just so that they be guided
 
😂 and we shouldnt forget that the jews and the arabs are basically from the same branch of people look at how similar the Arabic language to the Hebrew language, both people are Semitic and both are not to be trusted. Look how many messengers and prophets were sent to the Semites just so that they be guided
The Jews have had their fair share of dislike by God within his scriptures - even within the New Testament. Though, again, there are good ones. Most people are not guided. Most people are allies of satan. Satan is your open enemy.
 
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